It is interesting that the pharmaceutical industry has immunity from vaccines claims. Why would you need immunity if you were not harming people? If the pharmaceutical companies had full liability and no one was filing claims, we would know there was no harm. How could we get this issue addressed?
1. Work to repeal the '86 law shielding them from liability for their toxic products.
2. Realize that there's a new way of thinking about this issue. We have to educate ourselves and be open to understanding that Pasteur's theory of germs has never made sense. The Terrain Theory of health and wellness does. I've written about it and Dr Bailey is someone people should be trying to understand.
They were given immunity because they needed it. There were so many lawsuits due to injuries in the 1980s that Big Pharma was not going to make any more vaccines without legal immunity. The US Congress took responsibility to fund vaccine injury claims and set up a difficult process to award minimal payments. In the mean time Congress delegated safety testing the the NIH and CDC who were required to provide annual reports, which they have not since 1986. Their institutional decision was not to independently test using real, neutral placebos so that there was no proof one way or another permitting claims of safety.
I did not know that. Once pharma had immunity they started ramping up the vaccines (no real liability and billions in income). If true, horrible. Do you have a link?
I have read this from many sources as well as remembering the political debate then. Pharma asked for it, otherwise why would Congress legislate such an obligation? I suggest searching thehighwire.com. They document everything and will send out the documentation for each program the following week if you sign up for their free email newsletter.
South Dakota Voices Response: Marie, thank you for the question. We are located in South Dakota, but use Substack as a writing platform. Substack is located in San Francisco and they put their address on everything. We would be happy to use a South Dakota writing platform, but haven't found one that has the same features.
Email comment from MT: "...why is SD Viloice published in Ca? Makes us wonder if it is fact or fiction"
South Dakota Voices Response: Thank you for joining the conversation! To solve complicated issues like this, we need a lot of voices. Thank you for being one of them and sharing where we can learn more.
Email comment from DL: "Thanks for publishing your post on grants - they are indeed a thorn in the flesh and their management definitely needs attention. But that is going to happen until more writers focus in on the damage that counterproductive grants create. My post, referencing your post and some thoughts (didn't want to hijack your comments section :-) )
Personally, I believe in homeschooling, and data supports this. Kids that are homeschooled typically score 15-25 points above public-school students on Standardized Academic Achievement tests. In addition to that benefit, parents, who are homeschooling their children, can take a more active role in raising their children. If you're sending your children to educated enough masse, by adults you don't really know much about, you shouldn't be surprised that they're learning ideals that don't always align with your own.
From a personal standpoint, the system by which grants are given out needs to be restructured. Grants (aka tax dollars) are given out too easily. For example, a federal grant was approved for a study to determine how much more sexually active a Japanese quail is when given cocaine. Another grant was approved for a study to determine if sunfish are more aggressive when given gin and/or tequila. While neither of those examples are educational grants directly, they do highlight how dysfunctional the grant system currently is, and the data collected, from my examples, will be taught in schools. I fail to see the importance of our children knowing how animals react to illicit drugs, and alcoholic beverages.
It seems that some readers are confusing vaccines with inoculations. While I broadly support inoculations, and I think vaccines are effective for some, there is enough data, from the CDC/WHO, to show that certain vaccines can do more harm than help, depending on pre-existing health conditions. Rather than funding billboards that promote a 'One size fits all' mentality, personal/family doctors should be encouraged to engage their patients in a discussion about which vaccines would be beneficial for them.
A bioanalysis research company in Seville, Spain was the first to test every known vaccine made globally - NO vaccines are safe today. They may have been in the past but not when he tested them all. The name of the company - La Quinta Columna. They publish their research in multiple languages through professional and knowledgeable translators (knowledge in bioanalysis) and have since been joined by 10s of thousands of research organizations. What has surfaced from those pushing vaccines being safe and those advocating they are not is this - those pushing vaccines are safe have a vested interest in Big Pharma organizations where they are in a circular cycle of creating more medications to offset the side effects of the medications they previously created.
I also read this study, but the statement "No vaccines are safe today" is not entirely correct. The study concluded that there isn't a vaccine that is safe for everyone, which is why I don't like the "One size fits all" approach, when it comes to vaccines.
"Imagine the liability the South Dakota Department of Health is placing on the taxpayers of South Dakota if it is determined that vaccines are like cigarettes and cause harm."
I have. And they have harmed. In the '86 law shielding the vaccine manufacturers from all liability they made it clear in that very law that they were "Unavoidably UNSAFE" to protect themselves. Most still don't know - and some are blinded by their pride - that because of better hygiene, sanitation and nutrition, ALL of these infectious dis-eases were rapidly FALLING prior to the major introduction of vaccines in early 60s. That's a FACT. As Ive written on my Substack, the germ theory as the basis for this thinking is flawed, and the Terrain Theory of health and wellness is the Way forward, if we can but have an open heart and mind to understand these things. 🙏
That "need" for immunity resulted in the tripling of vax schedule and compulsory mandates for their products. But I see your point. It's also compounded by the people themselves "don't take them away" hysteria, which needs a complete overhaul in our thinking. Another backstory on '86 law is a group of parents of vaccines injured kids in VA called DPT - Dissatisfied Parents Together - that we're lobbying to "do something" on vaccine injury (which started NVIC Barbara Loe Fischer's group),and of course Government did do something - for Big Pharma too, and gave them VICP (vaccine injury compensation program) at taxpayer expense, and, as you say, a very difficult process to adjudicate vax injury claims. It's not like real Court. Most never see anything if they even know of the program. This is a travesty especially as VAERS is an insult to the actual vaccine injuries that are being reported, most doctors do NOT report and call it anecdotal or coincidental.
Forgive me but this is off the subject, but how and why is South Dakota Voices housed in San Fransisco? Why is anyone from SF so curious about what South Dakotans think? I noticed the address on the bottom of these emails this morning and will no longer reply as we don’t need outside money or influence on political subjects in our state. To bad as I enjoyed the dialogue.
Thank you, Kim, for asking that question. We are based in South Dakota, but use the Substack writing platform. Substack is based in San Francisco and they put their address on everything. We would be happy to use a South Dakota writing platform, but have not been able to find anything equivalent.
The dept of health markets vaccines because they have worked! You don’t see kids dying from smallpox or measles anymore or suffering from polio.
I don’t think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine against their will but we are seeing outbreaks of measles and pertussis among children because parents aren’t vaccinating them due to all the misinformation people like you spread.
Now the president has banned health information from being shared-ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
Thank you very much for sharing your viewpoint. Would you be so kind as to share information on the importance of sanitation in the prevention of these diseases? Is it really the vaccine or is it sanitation? Perhaps you could share some data that confirms sanitation is not the overriding issue.
Highly infectious viruses cannot be stopped with sanitation alone. Sanitation did not prevent smallpox. I had an R0 of 3.5 to 6. Only vaccines could eradicate it, which they did. You now do not live in fear of smallpox because of vaccines. Smallpox had a 30% mortality rate, those who survived were often disfigured. Similarly, sanitation cannot stop a measles outbreak. Measles R0 is 12-18. One of the most infectious viruses out there. Then there's polio, R0 of 5-7. Pertussis, R0 12-17. All of these together would maim and kill thousands of children every year and were too infectious to be stopped with sanitation. Partially because people don't know they're sick when they're infected. Diseases that sanitation does help prevent: typhoid, malaria, yellow fever. This is why we DON'T vaccinate against these, even though vaccines exist. Sanitation is enough here in the United States to prevent these.
People are forced to take vaccines in order to keep their jobs, which is in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights act guaranteeing religious, philosophical belief. The body is the temple of one's beliefs and healthcare decisions, and others, should be subject only to one's free and informed decisions.
Okay, must have been Jan30 when the Fed Agencies redid their webpages to remove gender ideology stuff, removing stuff from the previous admin. If I'm mistaken on what 'health info' is not being shared let me know, Thanks
Vaccines may be the right medical decision for some people, but one has to wonder why the South Dakota Department of Health is allowed to use federal money to market them in the state, especially with data that suggests they may be causing long term health issues for a significant percentage of the population.
Would you be so kind as to provide some data showing there are no issues with vaccines (I believe there have been over $1 billion awarded in vaccine claims and Harvard did a study suggesting only 1-10% of side effects/deaths are reported).
Before the polio vaccine was available in the 1950s, polio paralyzed more than 15,000 people each year in the United States. The number of polio cases decreased significantly after the introduction of the inactivated polio vaccine in the 1950s. The last imported case of wild polio was in 1993. during the peak years of the polio epidemic in the 1940s and 1950s, approximately 500,000 people died of polio annually.
Before vaccines
Measles: Before the vaccine was introduced in 1963, there were an estimated 400–500 deaths per year in the United States. Worldwide, there were an estimated 2.6 million deaths per year.
Mumps: The incidence of mumps was 100–1,000 cases per 100,000 people.
Rubella: During the 1964–1965 epidemic, 11,000 pregnant women lost their babies and 2,100 newborns died.
Thank you for sharing your concern. Most PhDs don't work in the medical system, so they don't have a full appreciation of the money and the regulatory forces. They do understand the pressure to publish, and like the President of Stanford, many have "pushed the envelope" on findings in the race to get to the journal first. Have you worked in the pharmaceutical or device businesses? Have you had to make submissions to the FDA?
It's simple. You just pointed to 3 excellent examples of why our Founding Fathers placed more power in the hands of the people than the government. What most people are releasing or even learning is THAT takes due diligence and effort. The problem isn't the contradictory funding and grants, it is the people permitting them to exist. Unfortunately, they will always exist as there are always 2 groups of people - those who think they know better and those who strive to protect our liberties and freedom.
As for the Dept of "Education" - they've done such a bang-up job that our education system has slid from the top 3 countries 50 years ago to the 30-percentile. Given many under 25 today can't even read cursive or an analog clock, it's a wonder we're even that high. And we, the older generation have permitted this to happen despite knowing they can't read handwriting nor tell time without a digital clock. They can't fix what they don't know should be correct - when are WE going to do it as a society???...
This one is WAY OUT THERE....with conspiracy theories and BS....what DATA (not research, but "data" suggesting the vaccines MAY be causing harm???? And then using "focus on bathrooms" as evidence against Federal grants!!!! PLUS...."allowing the States to set guidelines for allowing grants is "oversight from the State on private organizations and companies in the State....that is OVERREACH and dictatorial.....if a company or organization qualifies for Federal Grants....that should be between them and the Feds! PERIOD
Thank you for sharing your perspective. There are people that believe that an entity who receives state funding should be forced to give up their state money if the federal grant impacts taxpayers in the state. A large percentage of our farmers produce beef. Why would we allow one of our universities (that is funded in part by the farmers) to take money for a project that could hurt our farmers.
"could" hurt farmers....have you looked at the major Partners in this grant (cattle companies, etc.)....and how would this hurt farmers when it would improve the education and practices of farmers and ranchers to improve our cattle and our climate? and help consumers with better products!
You are correct there are big names on the list. It is the little people that will be squeezed out of business (and they pay the bulk of the taxes). From a fairness perspective that seems a bit unreasonable unless they pay no tax (for either the federal grants the undermine them or to the state that is funding the university that is taking advantage of them).
The fix is easy, cut the funding. Finding a politician with the spine to do it will be just about as difficult as finding a politician that is not bought off, or an entitled jerk. Now that so many of these leftist groups just lost a lot of funding they may be on the way out anyway. Nature abhors a vacuum, even in politics. It would be good to see Elon come to SD next.
It is interesting that the pharmaceutical industry has immunity from vaccines claims. Why would you need immunity if you were not harming people? If the pharmaceutical companies had full liability and no one was filing claims, we would know there was no harm. How could we get this issue addressed?
2 ways principally:
1. Work to repeal the '86 law shielding them from liability for their toxic products.
2. Realize that there's a new way of thinking about this issue. We have to educate ourselves and be open to understanding that Pasteur's theory of germs has never made sense. The Terrain Theory of health and wellness does. I've written about it and Dr Bailey is someone people should be trying to understand.
https://open.substack.com/pub/fredcarpenter204043/p/fear-of-germs-why-germ-hypothesis?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=slto0
They were given immunity because they needed it. There were so many lawsuits due to injuries in the 1980s that Big Pharma was not going to make any more vaccines without legal immunity. The US Congress took responsibility to fund vaccine injury claims and set up a difficult process to award minimal payments. In the mean time Congress delegated safety testing the the NIH and CDC who were required to provide annual reports, which they have not since 1986. Their institutional decision was not to independently test using real, neutral placebos so that there was no proof one way or another permitting claims of safety.
I did not know that. Once pharma had immunity they started ramping up the vaccines (no real liability and billions in income). If true, horrible. Do you have a link?
I have read this from many sources as well as remembering the political debate then. Pharma asked for it, otherwise why would Congress legislate such an obligation? I suggest searching thehighwire.com. They document everything and will send out the documentation for each program the following week if you sign up for their free email newsletter.
You could ask the same question here. And you should get the same answer.
Supreme Court grants Trump broad immunity for official acts, placing presidents above the law.
South Dakota Voices Response: Marie, thank you for the question. We are located in South Dakota, but use Substack as a writing platform. Substack is located in San Francisco and they put their address on everything. We would be happy to use a South Dakota writing platform, but haven't found one that has the same features.
Email comment from MT: "...why is SD Viloice published in Ca? Makes us wonder if it is fact or fiction"
South Dakota Voices Response: Thank you for joining the conversation! To solve complicated issues like this, we need a lot of voices. Thank you for being one of them and sharing where we can learn more.
Email comment from DL: "Thanks for publishing your post on grants - they are indeed a thorn in the flesh and their management definitely needs attention. But that is going to happen until more writers focus in on the damage that counterproductive grants create. My post, referencing your post and some thoughts (didn't want to hijack your comments section :-) )
https://newsletter.decisiveliberty.news/p/being-awake-is-not-enough"
Personally, I believe in homeschooling, and data supports this. Kids that are homeschooled typically score 15-25 points above public-school students on Standardized Academic Achievement tests. In addition to that benefit, parents, who are homeschooling their children, can take a more active role in raising their children. If you're sending your children to educated enough masse, by adults you don't really know much about, you shouldn't be surprised that they're learning ideals that don't always align with your own.
How do you feel about the grant money?
From a personal standpoint, the system by which grants are given out needs to be restructured. Grants (aka tax dollars) are given out too easily. For example, a federal grant was approved for a study to determine how much more sexually active a Japanese quail is when given cocaine. Another grant was approved for a study to determine if sunfish are more aggressive when given gin and/or tequila. While neither of those examples are educational grants directly, they do highlight how dysfunctional the grant system currently is, and the data collected, from my examples, will be taught in schools. I fail to see the importance of our children knowing how animals react to illicit drugs, and alcoholic beverages.
My post should read, "to be educated en masse". Spell check is the nemesis of the educated.
:) No worries. It happens to all of us.
It seems that some readers are confusing vaccines with inoculations. While I broadly support inoculations, and I think vaccines are effective for some, there is enough data, from the CDC/WHO, to show that certain vaccines can do more harm than help, depending on pre-existing health conditions. Rather than funding billboards that promote a 'One size fits all' mentality, personal/family doctors should be encouraged to engage their patients in a discussion about which vaccines would be beneficial for them.
A bioanalysis research company in Seville, Spain was the first to test every known vaccine made globally - NO vaccines are safe today. They may have been in the past but not when he tested them all. The name of the company - La Quinta Columna. They publish their research in multiple languages through professional and knowledgeable translators (knowledge in bioanalysis) and have since been joined by 10s of thousands of research organizations. What has surfaced from those pushing vaccines being safe and those advocating they are not is this - those pushing vaccines are safe have a vested interest in Big Pharma organizations where they are in a circular cycle of creating more medications to offset the side effects of the medications they previously created.
I also read this study, but the statement "No vaccines are safe today" is not entirely correct. The study concluded that there isn't a vaccine that is safe for everyone, which is why I don't like the "One size fits all" approach, when it comes to vaccines.
Thank you for your comment. Could you clarify a bit?
"Imagine the liability the South Dakota Department of Health is placing on the taxpayers of South Dakota if it is determined that vaccines are like cigarettes and cause harm."
I have. And they have harmed. In the '86 law shielding the vaccine manufacturers from all liability they made it clear in that very law that they were "Unavoidably UNSAFE" to protect themselves. Most still don't know - and some are blinded by their pride - that because of better hygiene, sanitation and nutrition, ALL of these infectious dis-eases were rapidly FALLING prior to the major introduction of vaccines in early 60s. That's a FACT. As Ive written on my Substack, the germ theory as the basis for this thinking is flawed, and the Terrain Theory of health and wellness is the Way forward, if we can but have an open heart and mind to understand these things. 🙏
That "need" for immunity resulted in the tripling of vax schedule and compulsory mandates for their products. But I see your point. It's also compounded by the people themselves "don't take them away" hysteria, which needs a complete overhaul in our thinking. Another backstory on '86 law is a group of parents of vaccines injured kids in VA called DPT - Dissatisfied Parents Together - that we're lobbying to "do something" on vaccine injury (which started NVIC Barbara Loe Fischer's group),and of course Government did do something - for Big Pharma too, and gave them VICP (vaccine injury compensation program) at taxpayer expense, and, as you say, a very difficult process to adjudicate vax injury claims. It's not like real Court. Most never see anything if they even know of the program. This is a travesty especially as VAERS is an insult to the actual vaccine injuries that are being reported, most doctors do NOT report and call it anecdotal or coincidental.
Thank you for answering the question. After all we’ve learned in the last 9 years, i don’t take anything for granted.
Forgive me but this is off the subject, but how and why is South Dakota Voices housed in San Fransisco? Why is anyone from SF so curious about what South Dakotans think? I noticed the address on the bottom of these emails this morning and will no longer reply as we don’t need outside money or influence on political subjects in our state. To bad as I enjoyed the dialogue.
Thank you, Kim, for asking that question. We are based in South Dakota, but use the Substack writing platform. Substack is based in San Francisco and they put their address on everything. We would be happy to use a South Dakota writing platform, but have not been able to find anything equivalent.
The dept of health markets vaccines because they have worked! You don’t see kids dying from smallpox or measles anymore or suffering from polio.
I don’t think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine against their will but we are seeing outbreaks of measles and pertussis among children because parents aren’t vaccinating them due to all the misinformation people like you spread.
Now the president has banned health information from being shared-ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
Thank you very much for sharing your viewpoint. Would you be so kind as to share information on the importance of sanitation in the prevention of these diseases? Is it really the vaccine or is it sanitation? Perhaps you could share some data that confirms sanitation is not the overriding issue.
Highly infectious viruses cannot be stopped with sanitation alone. Sanitation did not prevent smallpox. I had an R0 of 3.5 to 6. Only vaccines could eradicate it, which they did. You now do not live in fear of smallpox because of vaccines. Smallpox had a 30% mortality rate, those who survived were often disfigured. Similarly, sanitation cannot stop a measles outbreak. Measles R0 is 12-18. One of the most infectious viruses out there. Then there's polio, R0 of 5-7. Pertussis, R0 12-17. All of these together would maim and kill thousands of children every year and were too infectious to be stopped with sanitation. Partially because people don't know they're sick when they're infected. Diseases that sanitation does help prevent: typhoid, malaria, yellow fever. This is why we DON'T vaccinate against these, even though vaccines exist. Sanitation is enough here in the United States to prevent these.
People are forced to take vaccines in order to keep their jobs, which is in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights act guaranteeing religious, philosophical belief. The body is the temple of one's beliefs and healthcare decisions, and others, should be subject only to one's free and informed decisions.
SFmama, where did you hear that the president has banned health information from being shared? Thanks
From his news conference
Okay, must have been Jan30 when the Fed Agencies redid their webpages to remove gender ideology stuff, removing stuff from the previous admin. If I'm mistaken on what 'health info' is not being shared let me know, Thanks
Ah yes. Education and healthcare: The enemy of every great society. 🤦🏻♂️ This is the most garbage reporting in existence
Bill, you’re a “smart boy”. Why don’t you creat your own subs rack?
Vaccines may be the right medical decision for some people, but one has to wonder why the South Dakota Department of Health is allowed to use federal money to market them in the state, especially with data that suggests they may be causing long term health issues for a significant percentage of the population.
Complete horseshit
Would you be so kind as to provide some data showing there are no issues with vaccines (I believe there have been over $1 billion awarded in vaccine claims and Harvard did a study suggesting only 1-10% of side effects/deaths are reported).
Before the polio vaccine was available in the 1950s, polio paralyzed more than 15,000 people each year in the United States. The number of polio cases decreased significantly after the introduction of the inactivated polio vaccine in the 1950s. The last imported case of wild polio was in 1993. during the peak years of the polio epidemic in the 1940s and 1950s, approximately 500,000 people died of polio annually.
Before vaccines
Measles: Before the vaccine was introduced in 1963, there were an estimated 400–500 deaths per year in the United States. Worldwide, there were an estimated 2.6 million deaths per year.
Mumps: The incidence of mumps was 100–1,000 cases per 100,000 people.
Rubella: During the 1964–1965 epidemic, 11,000 pregnant women lost their babies and 2,100 newborns died.
I don’t engage in debate or data volleys with folks about medicine or vaccines unless they hold at least a PhD in a relative field
Anyone who is a vaccine skeptic has SFBs
Thank you for sharing your concern. Most PhDs don't work in the medical system, so they don't have a full appreciation of the money and the regulatory forces. They do understand the pressure to publish, and like the President of Stanford, many have "pushed the envelope" on findings in the race to get to the journal first. Have you worked in the pharmaceutical or device businesses? Have you had to make submissions to the FDA?
Sincere question and not trying to be an ass, have you?
Larry, UTCUTA
Yeah, I remember when I used to believe that as well... OOPS
It's simple. You just pointed to 3 excellent examples of why our Founding Fathers placed more power in the hands of the people than the government. What most people are releasing or even learning is THAT takes due diligence and effort. The problem isn't the contradictory funding and grants, it is the people permitting them to exist. Unfortunately, they will always exist as there are always 2 groups of people - those who think they know better and those who strive to protect our liberties and freedom.
As for the Dept of "Education" - they've done such a bang-up job that our education system has slid from the top 3 countries 50 years ago to the 30-percentile. Given many under 25 today can't even read cursive or an analog clock, it's a wonder we're even that high. And we, the older generation have permitted this to happen despite knowing they can't read handwriting nor tell time without a digital clock. They can't fix what they don't know should be correct - when are WE going to do it as a society???...
This one is WAY OUT THERE....with conspiracy theories and BS....what DATA (not research, but "data" suggesting the vaccines MAY be causing harm???? And then using "focus on bathrooms" as evidence against Federal grants!!!! PLUS...."allowing the States to set guidelines for allowing grants is "oversight from the State on private organizations and companies in the State....that is OVERREACH and dictatorial.....if a company or organization qualifies for Federal Grants....that should be between them and the Feds! PERIOD
Thank you for sharing your perspective. There are people that believe that an entity who receives state funding should be forced to give up their state money if the federal grant impacts taxpayers in the state. A large percentage of our farmers produce beef. Why would we allow one of our universities (that is funded in part by the farmers) to take money for a project that could hurt our farmers.
"could" hurt farmers....have you looked at the major Partners in this grant (cattle companies, etc.)....and how would this hurt farmers when it would improve the education and practices of farmers and ranchers to improve our cattle and our climate? and help consumers with better products!
You are correct there are big names on the list. It is the little people that will be squeezed out of business (and they pay the bulk of the taxes). From a fairness perspective that seems a bit unreasonable unless they pay no tax (for either the federal grants the undermine them or to the state that is funding the university that is taking advantage of them).
This place is the harbinger for the most vile conspiracy BS in the entire state.
The fix is easy, cut the funding. Finding a politician with the spine to do it will be just about as difficult as finding a politician that is not bought off, or an entitled jerk. Now that so many of these leftist groups just lost a lot of funding they may be on the way out anyway. Nature abhors a vacuum, even in politics. It would be good to see Elon come to SD next.